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> [BW 1.69] Defensive Stance, now even MORE useless, Bioware bug - closed on DN
NatNit
Posted: Oct 27 2004, 12:36 AM
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Bug Reported By: NatNit


Date: Midnight, October 27, 2004


Witnesses, if any: No one in the immediate area...complained to arQ, Phage, D


Area(s) Bug Observed In: Notus Vineyards Caves (Fire Giants)


What character were you playing: Trax Stiffknees (fighter, WM, DD levels)


Please describe your observations: After about an hour in the caves, I noticed that I was getting hit a lot, much more than usual. I have pretty good AC, between Full Plate +5, Tower Shield +3, Cloak of Protection +5, Expertise, and Defensive Stance (from 1 level of DD). The following is an image from my character screen and inventory when I realized something was wrong.

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Note my dex of 13, and my base naked AC of 7. Way off what it should be. Just to note, I also have 5 points in tumble, so I think my AC should be like 10 + 1 (dex) + 1 (tumble) = 12...definitely not 7. Something is not adding up here.


Why do you think it's a bug: Naked AC should've been a lot higher, results in AC with equipment not being sufficient for the area. Very weird behavior.


Steps needed to reproduce the bug (what were you doing at the time of the bug, and in the time before noticing the bug): What'd I do before...hmm. Well I was fighting the fire giant clerics and warriors. Always use old Helm of Tleiax, Rod of Ghost, and Weynolden Token in buff sequence, but doubt that's the reason. Actually, I kinda think it has to do with the +4 dodge bonus to AC that Defensive Stance grants...used that a couple of times in the encounters. Maybe I napped with it or something like that? Also note that 4+7 = 11 (dunno if Tumble AC show on char screen) so mathematically, clues point to Defensive Stance. Quaffed a Lesser Restoration potion just to make sure some spell or other wasn't cast. No effect.


Questions related to the bug for the build team: Any other DD's have similar experiences?


Other player comments: wub.gif


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dave
Posted: Oct 27 2004, 05:25 AM
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No idea man. v1.62 did have some odd bugs with Stance that would force you to log out and in to fix. Does relogging fix it?

Can you report this to nwbugs@bioware.com? Their bug report form is pinned in this forum.

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NatNit
Posted: Oct 27 2004, 06:48 AM
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I didn't even consider logging out/in. When I logged in this morning, everything was fixed (he had a base AC of 12) but that may have been somewhat affected by the server reset as well. I'll do some testing later to try to pinpoint it.

I'll e-mail Bioware when I get home from school today. Thanks Dave. smile.gif

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arQon
Posted: Sep 20 2006, 03:29 AM
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It seems that BW managed to bork defensive stance even more in 1.68, which I didn't think was possible. Shows what I know. tongue.gif

The wonderful new bugs are, not only does doing ANYTHING (using an equipment-swap bind, or even just moving stuff around in your inventory) now cancel Stance, it does so without changing the quickbar icon or any other indication that it's cancelled except the char sheet. Combat messages etc still say "Defensive Stance: blah", and it LOOKS like it's active, but all the bonuses have been removed. To reactivate it, you now have to manually cancel it so it "realises" it's cancelled, then use it again.

At least it's not character-breaking like WW. I guess we should be thankful for small mercies... rolleyes.gif

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Posted: Mar 24 2009, 05:03 AM
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Bump. I don't think I've ever made a DD, maybe will have to. ohmy.gif

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arQon
Posted: Apr 1 2009, 10:57 PM
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Still exactly as broken as it was in 168. Doing ANYTHING, ever, is enough to cancel all of the Stance bonuses, with the combat messages and the quickbar both incorrectly showing it as still active. sad.gif


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